The Timeline between Rabin's assassination and Bibi's election June 21 1996
Reactions to To Laugh or Cry...
Just a few words to express my deepest admiration upon your article entitled "To laugh or cry..." Really you are FANTASTICO! I was especially impressed by what I read between the lines. You seem to be a pretty smart cookie! You are so well focused on the character of your new PM that I am willing to bet he will not last the entire 4 years because his coalition will crumble sooner than later. I wonder how such a sophisticated society as yours could not see through him and blunder to such an extent. That same could happen here in the States where so much is "staged" is not astonishing but in Israel! To me it looks like your new wave of new immigrants lack the political maturity and knowledge to fully appreciate or understand the important issues of global economy and Peace at last. I have seen the same stupid mistakes in my native Lebanon and look what happened there in the last 20 years. We went back 100 years! I sincerely hope the people of Israel can wake up to reality and realize that Begin and Rabin were no fools.
So long cousin.
Hello from Columbia University I just wanted to say that your last editorial, as all of them since Netanyahu's election reminded me of a cry of a child who did not get what he wanted and now is crying and whining. Just stop it, it does nothing to further your cause. Netanyahu was handed a tough job and he handled it and i think his coalition will do just fine. The old government (isn't the adjective old wonderful) had a lot of experience and it did not do it any good. Even a leftist like you Robert must admit that a) it was not supported by majority of the people b) Among Jews it was supported by only 40-45 percent c) its policies got the pm assassinated and almost caused a civil war. Aha! Yigal Amir wasn't a "wild weed" -- just a messenger of those opposed to the Rabin policies. Does Zevulun hammer know this? As for the boom in the economy you know as well as everybody else that it was overhyped and it was caused more than anything else by 700,000 new immigrants and not by the peace process. Yes, new immigrants, freed by the fall of the Berlin Wall which restructured the entire Middle East as well as Eastern Europe, helped boost industrial output. But to disregard the affect of the Israeli-PLO recognition on European, Asian, and Arab trading partners and investors, is pure deliberate blindness. Wake up Robert. You don't live in a yuppie land of Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv Yes I do you live in a jewish land, in eretz israel, whether you like it or not. And meanwhile, you live in New York I live in the State of Israel. Eretz Yisrael is a religious concept, mythical in meaning but without any political meaning in any dialogue with people who do not share that religious belief. It is therefore an ideal, not reality. And unless you plan to enforce population control like China, it will only get less Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv. Just out of curiosity, what are you studying at Columbia? A religious subject? Then why do it there, not here? A high-tech subject? Then surely you must realize that it's Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem, that provides the intellectual impetus for the high-tech economy to which presumably you want to return. So you better think of something and adjust your attitude and try to instill some jewish values in your kids, otherwise life will be very rough for them, not because they'll be persecuted or anything but because they will not have Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv but will have Yerushalaim or maybe New York, New York if they choose to leave. Meanwhile, the only one who's living in New York in this dialogue, is you. One last word. If Peres would win and make a final agreement with plo it would mean that about 30-40% of population would be deeply embittered and waiting to take revenge at first opportunity on the people who insulted and ignored them. And when they would it would not be pretty. Yes, it wasn't pretty to see Yitzhak Rabin thrown into the back seat of the Prime Minister's Car, with a couple of bullets in his back, and it's not pretty hearing Yigal Amir sneer "I'll be out of jail before I'm 40" at the judges and it's not pretty to find out that a sampling of 57 polling booths showed wide-scale election fraud.
That's just human nature. So say thank you that Netanyahu won. I'll say thank you when he fulfills the promises of the government of the State of Israel as ratified by the elected parliament of that state. Meanwhile, I give thanks that the State of Israel is a democracy. I hope you'll publish this, although i doubt it. Typical -- lots of bravado covering up fear inspired by prejudice
I guess I must disagree with you my friend. I enjoyed your article and did learn from it, but we must give BiBi a chance. He just may be the answer for Israel and yes, the world. You know more about his new government, as I assure you, I am an outsider looking in. But, do not loose track of the forest for the trees. Do not get so caught up in the details that you lose sight of the bigger picture--the security of the State of Israel. To secure her borders and to establish once again what is hers--Jerusalem. I am not a Jew except in my heart, but I do believe we have the same Messiah. When He comes He will bring true peace, but in the meantime Israel must remain strong and she can with a strong leader and unity among her people. Shalom and Jerusalem Forever. Yes, I'll give Bibi a chance -- if he gives peace a chance. As far as the Messiah is concerned. I figure that full bandwidth for all is a much bigger step toward the Messiah's arrival than fighting over whether the Palestinian flag can fly in East Jerusalem.
Why are you making all these updates political? Does this commercial site have political affiliation? I do not recall seeing that when I visited it and signed up. I am really not interested in your pesimistic views and ironic tone. If this is a political site I would like to be taken of the list ASAP. Much of Ariga is "apolitical" -- Try Therapeutic Horseback Riding in the West Jerusalem Hills After reading your "interesting" updates I must say you managed to piss off a lot of you'r readers. That's one of the prices -- and pleasures -- of publishing How about showing both sides of the stories and stop taking a side and one more thing perhaps you guys should show a bit more RESPECT for the newly elected government and ofcource the new now official prime Minster. P.S for you'r information Arik Sharon is a military genius and who knows where we would have been without him. So please do everyone a favor and show both sides of the storie. I guess you don't take sides...
Robert -- We have to remain honest and objective. If the following were true: New York Jews and non-Jews love him. Here, few love Bibi. They fear him, respect him, watch him closely., But he is far from beloved. For no matter how good a TV photo-op he... Bibi would not have won the Jewish vote by over 12%. As you are aware, the polls after the election showed that 89.1% of Israeli Jews think that Bibi will make a good Prime Minister. It is hard to say 'few love Bibi.' What must be said is that 'A good number of Israelis are worried that Bibi will screw up the country' The crtiteria for voting in Israel is not religion. It is citizenship -- and being in Israel on election day. Where were you?
Hi there, I am Ron Hillel Israeli student living in London. I want to thank you so much for the great service that you give. The articles written are wise and critical and I like them very much. I was with tears when Pers gave his speach at the Kneset yesterday... I cant believe or accept this new reality (Grim) that we must all face now! and not only the 49.57% that did not vote for this government... but also the others who did vote for Bibi... I want to see them when cinemas, restaurants and pubs will be closed on fridays and saturdays... not to mention all this money that will go to the haredim and not to the country itself.... To tell you the truth I am dreading this new Israel... we are going backwards - I hope I will be proven wrong.. only time will tell! Please, be patient. Bibi is not the messiah, despite what his supporters say, and his election is not the apocalypse for those who don't trust him.
[snipped opening to Ariga Update and To Laugh or Cry...] I think the model is Machiavelli, suitable to the new political structure of direct elections of Prime Minister -- whose ramifications I think we haven't as yet plumbed the depths of... or obviously had time to see whatever virtues the new system was intended by its creators to provide. Here, where the demand in the street is for strong men -- like Bibi, indeed like Arik -- there's a real danger when nobody really knows what the premier means. Of late, Netanyahu's major rhetorical trick is to lean on the podium and say "yes, yes, there's always been talk of privatization. But when I say it, I mean it." That's not why the USA survived its political catastrophes. It's always been an oligarchy like Israel, with Electoral Colleges to prevent the people from electing much, and checks and balances to keep the careless incompetent electorate from doing to much damage to the well intentioned sharks elected... and vice versa. Why are YOU are worrying about 'meaning' and trust between electors and elected puzzles me... there's rarely been any anywhere. The issues it seems to me are much more serious for us because we have no hinterland at all (pace a missle-theory) and no economic resources (natural) except the fragile human beings populating the country. i.e. very little room for buffering the results of even minor errors. Which is why the small majority majoritied Meretz and the others out of power. They felt what little we had had was vanishing in political waffle. Along with religious tradition, custom, status quo ante, etc. Revolutions dont usually succeed if they try to work on more than one front at a time... and whatever Mr Peres intended, his partners had additional agendas... just like Mr Netanyahu's do. What's new? But he doesn't say what he means. He can't. Not because he doesn't know what it entails, but because if he says that thousands will be laid off, he'll undermine his anyway shaky electoral base. Benjamin Netanyahu is no fool. He knows why he left Ariel Sharon for last when it came to making his government. The Americans, the Japanese, the Europeans, indeed the Arabs don't wantAriel Sharon i n the government, because Sharon represents all that went wrong the last time the Likud was elected to power in Israel. Please. Someone (i.e. we) gotta pay for the give-aways of the previous government (aint that always the case, the salaried get overtaxed, the black money grows blacker, and then is whitewashed, and the rich got good tax lawyers....). Even tho I wouldnt want Mr Sharon to be Minister, he is NOT all that went wrong with the previous Likud govt. The new reform was supposed to solve the structural problems of Israeli politics, minority govts, etc. Well, it may. But as a friend says, you dont solve traffic jams, with new roads, you just push them down to the next traffic light. Among xenophobic Israelis that's the best reason of all for Sharon to be in the government. But if there's one thing that can be said about Netanyahu, it's that he's no xenophobe. More at home in a W ashington D.C. suburb than any apartment block in a Negev development town, Netanyahu knows full well that the Americans won't "pressure" Israel. They don't need to apply pressure any more. Nowadays, it's Wall Street and the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange that apply pressure. Japanese investment, European investment, Arab flexibility -- it all depends on the progress of the peace process. Netanyahu can' t say asmuch, of course, because it undermines totally one of the foundations of Israeli right-wing politics -- the idea that national independence exists in a vacum, dependent only on what the government decides. Youre trying to have your cake and eat it too. If there's no worry, that regardless of Americans, and Mr Netanyahu's Americanization of style, suburban desire, empty speech, etc. the international forces of economics will constrain us all anyway, what's the big fuss. Little room to move regardless of having no agenda (moron), little agenda (retard), wrong agenda (idiot). And if economics wont do it, then Arabs will. By the way, you talk as if the arabs have no constraints whatever. For all his talk about the 21st century, he surely must know that the essence of the global economy, that very economy in which Israel's high-tech industries excel, is that our world is not a collection of discrete national entities, but rather an ever shifting mass of interdependencies between countries and corporations, states and multi-national organizations. Netanyahu, who regards himself a political philosopher, surely must be aware of this, even if he has partners in the coalition who don't care about Volkswagon's investment in a magnesium plant at the Dead Sea, and w on't blink an eye at cutting science education in order to add Torah education to the curriculm. They've done it before, they can do it again. That investment at the Dead Sea, and dozens, perhaps hundreds more like it, is threatened by the idea of instability in Israel. And if there is one thing that the Netanyahu government now promises, i t is instability. Out of eighteen minister, only four ever served in the government, and barely half ever served in the Knesset. That would be okay if his goverment were made from technocrats. Instea d it is made from party appointees, some of whom -- like a former district manager of the Interior Ministry now suddenly made minister by appointment of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef -- are technocrats. Sorry. Israel IS instable, unstable, not stable. It never has been stable. (The world isnt either, in any of its manifestations, but Israel a little moreso). Youre right, they havent served in government; the presumption of democracy is that they dont have to have served, especially since the voters didnt like those who had served (for the first time -- Meretz (I seem to remember their gaffes which all the forward thinkers love and the traditional ones felt insulted by... turn about seems fair play). No party out of power (recently tossed out, I mean) feels democracy can be trusted. But you know my views on that. But most, like Tzahi Hanegbi, are party hacks who bet on Bibi, or Zevulun Hammer, whose time as education Minister under Menachem Begin and then Yitzhak Shamir reduced daily schooling to four hours a day f or most of the ocuntry's youth (unless they were in yeshivot, where its a little less than dawn to dusk). Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a name for himself as a charmer at cocktail parties in Hollywood, and a winner in TV appearances. Party hacks. Please. That describes anyone who's been loyal to a party in a nonvisible TV role. And somehow Israel's education system improved under Hammer about as much as it ever did... especially since all these Israeli educated voters voted Rabin in... (not counting the Labor party people who flew in from New York then to insure the revolution before flying out again.... like Likudniks this time). New York Jews and non-Jews love him. Here, few love Bibi. They fear him, respect him, watch him closely., But he is far from beloved. For no matter how good a TV photo-op he gives, as prime minister he won't be working in front of TV cameras, but ultimately alo ne in the Prime Minister's Office dealing daily, with life and death issues. Youre sneering again. Israel always depends on its Diasporas, as AB Yehoshuah pointed out, from Abraham onwards. Non Jews do NOT love Mr Netanyahu any more than they loved Mr Peres; they knew and trusted the latter after years of watching his behavior. Theyre holding a watching breif, I suspect, for the new govt. And what happened to your 'populist' upbeat attitude when the people almost elected Peres by one vote? The Americans, the Japanese, the Europeans -- and the Arabs -- will be watching. They already see a prime minister elected on the basis of an extremely narrow margin and by sectarian forces; whose f irst efforts as prime minister elect were to undermine the leadership of his own political party, whose promises to political allies are thrown out an hour after they are made, whose speeches are "mo derate" but contradictory. You're at this narrow margin again. Israel is a narrow margin. The human species exists by a narrow margin (and too overpopulated at that so only war, disease, and starvation and what's the other horseman?) keeps us sustainable. What are 'sectarian forces'? My religion's a religion, my majority of one is absolute, and your religion's a sect, and your 30000 majority is one, relative, tentative, and if you were honest you'd abdicate all pretensions to having gotten a mandate to rule? No wonder Isrel's security establishment is worried -- and why the Arabs are pissed off. Netanyahu complains the Palestinians aren't keeping their agreements? Look how many agreements he broke in two weeks. W Everyone knew that the Hizbollah, Hamasand Islamic Jihad, had no intention of giving any 100 days of grace to whatever government was elected in Israel. They certainly don't understand that democrac ies traditionally need about three months to change governments peacefully. neither, apparently do most of the Arabs, jumping the gun by complaining the night he was elected. But now it's also not certain that his own party -- the Likud faction in the Knesset -- has much confidence in him, either. Again excuse me. Which Israeli security establishment? Labor's or Likud's. And when aren't the Arabs pissed off. At each other. At us. Even during Mr Peres' reign, I remember them complaining bitterly Israel wasnt keeping any of its signed Oslo obligaitons. And yes, Likud too (Like Labor) will have to adjust itself to independent prime ministerial elections and power, and yes too Mr Netanyahu will have to pay his bills later if not sooner. So what's new? He already needs to reopen the very law that elected him, in order to squeeze in Sharon (and Benny Begin into the "inner cabinet," which looks like it will be as castrated a forum as the Likud centra l committee). By doing so, and with the automatic parliamentary majority he now commands, the odds go up for an even worse law. Please. Youve just about damned the direct election of prime minister law so hotly advocated as the best thing for Israel's democracy since Macdonald's kosher Cheeseburgers. Obviously it'll need tinkering then. And obviously it'll get worse. The danger is simple and frightening in its implications. To succeed at bringing peace to Israel, Netanyahu will have to walk hand in hand with Arafat, betraying his followers. But given his negotia ting style, why should Arafat -- indeed the Americans, too -- trust him. Yes and no. Dont tell me you've just woken up to the basic principle of politicians: betrayal of their electorates. It's part of their job. The electorates keep demanding contradictory to survival positions from their politicians... contradictory to the survival of the electorates, let alone of the politicians. So obviously waffling, lies, deceit, and betrayal are the perpetual prices politicians pay (hows that for alliteration?) back their voters with. Otherwise we'd all kill each other. As I said last time... it's the unpromised promises Im worrying about, the ones they do intend to keep. And to succeed at governing, he not only must create an entirely new executive branch, force-fitting the contradiction between coalition partners who want budgets for welfare handouts to yeshiva stud ents, while cutting the government payroll by tens of thousands, and between those who want stricter blue laws regarding conversion and the personal rituals of life (wedding, divorce, death) and thos e who want no part of any of those laws. It is a formidable task. RIGHT ON. Have fun. Sounds much like the problems of the past 40 years. And the successes.
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